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В моей предыдущей записи, "О ZOG'е" я приводил видео из вчерашней передачи Лу Доббса на Fox Business, в которой его собеседник, говорит "Soros-occupied State Department" и продолжает популяризацию теорий заговора о "караване".

В дополнение к тому, что я уже сказал, я приведу комментарий Adam Serwer. Он говорит о той же передаче Доббса:
Everyone who says things like this, or who gives it a platform, knows exactly what it is and what it inspires. And no one should take it seriously when they play innocent.

The only thing to do is to tell the truth, and to keep telling it when they act offended because you described exactly what they were doing and they don’t like that you called it out.
Конечно, из этого правила могут быть и исключения. К примеру, я все больше думаю, что многое из того, что пишет Арбат, объясняется не злым умыслом, а просто глупостью. В частности, его комментарий, за который я его забанил на неделю -- я теперь склоняюсь к мнению, что прав был [livejournal.com profile] tijd, когда говорил, что Арбат просто плохо понимает разницу между editorial, opinion, это все.

Так вот об Арбате. Его сегодняшняя запись:
Яков, кстати, думает, что Сорос - это для правых символ всех евреев, и наезд на Сороса - антисемитизм.
Я не говорил "для правых", это у Арбата, кажется, то, что называется "оговорка по Фрейду". Я написал: "Если кто не в курсе, Сорос -- главная страшилка антисемитов, антиглобалистов и т.п.".

Но это просто забавный момент. Куда более важно, что Арбат сам добавляет антисемитскую клевету о Соросе:
Для правых, Сорос - это символ не каждого еврея, но еврея, разбогатевшего, помогая немцам грабить других евреев. Да, которого можно было бы простить, учитывая молодой возраст, если бы не то, что он уже в зрелом возрасте заверил нас, что не видит в этом ничего дурного. Так что те правые, которые не любят Сороса, делают это отнюдь не от антисемитизма. А потому, что говно он, ваш этот Сорос. Редкое говно.
Во-первых, что именно тут говорит Арбат? По-моему, он утверждает, что Сорос разбогател, помогая немцам грабить других евреев.

Можно было бы сказать, что он имеет в виду, что Сорос не разбогател, помогая немцам грабить евреев, а только является символом такого еврея, но дальше Арбат говорит, что Сорос "заверил нас, что не видит в этом ничего дурного". В чем "в этом" -- в том, чтобы разбогатеть, помогая немцам грабить других евреев.

Это вполне однозначный антисемитский бред. То, что Сорос ребенком помогал немцам грабить евреев, -- популярная антисемитская клевета, многократно и подробно разобранная. Но то, что Сорос на этом еще и разбогател -- такого я никогда раньше не встречал и сходу даже не смог найти.

Вот что пишет о детстве и юности Сороса Википедия:
Soros was born in Budapest in the Kingdom of Hungary to a well-to-do non-observant Jewish family, who, like many upper-middle class Hungarian Jews at the time, were uncomfortable with their roots. Soros has wryly described his home as a Jewish antisemitic home.[28] His mother Erzsébet (also known as Elizabeth) came from a family that owned a thriving silk shop. His father Tivadar (also known as Teodoro) was a lawyer[29] and had been a prisoner of war during and after World War I until he escaped from Russia and rejoined his family in Budapest.[30][31] The two married in 1924. Tivadar was an Esperantist writer.[32] In 1936, Soros's family changed their name from the German-Jewish Schwartz to Soros, as protective camouflage in increasingly antisemitic Hungary.[33][34] Tivadar liked the new name because it is a palindrome and because of its meaning. In Hungarian, soros means "next in line," or "designated successor"; in Esperanto it means "will soar."[35][36][37]

Soros was 13 years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary.[38] The Nazis barred Jewish children from attending school, and Soros and the other schoolchildren were made to report to the Judenrat ("Jewish Council"), which had been established during the occupation. Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis: "The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper ... I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, "You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported."[39][40]

Soros did not return to that job; his family survived the war by purchasing documents to say that they were Christians. Later that year at age 14, Soros posed as the Christian godson of an official of the collaborationist Hungarian government's Ministry of Agriculture, who himself had a Jewish wife in hiding. On one occasion, rather than leave the 14-year-old alone, the official took Soros with him while he inventoried a rich Jewish family's estate, though Soros did not take part. Tivadar saved not only his immediate family but also many other Hungarian Jews, and George would later write that 1944 had been "the happiest [year] of his life," for it had given him the opportunity to witness his father's heroism.[41][42] In 1945, Soros survived the Siege of Budapest, in which Soviet and German forces fought house-to-house through the city.

In 1947, Soros immigrated to England and became a student at the London School of Economics.[43] While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros worked as a railway porter and as a waiter, and once received £40 from a Quaker charity.[44] Soros would sometimes stand at Speakers' Corner lecturing about the virtues of internationalism in Esperanto, which he had learned from his father.[45]

Soros earned a Bachelor of Science in philosophy in 1951, and a Master of Science in philosophy in 1954, both from the London School of Economics.[46]
Fact checkers пишут по сути то же самое, только более подробно.

Update о передаче Доббса: Brian Stelter:
Update: Fox Business says "we condemn the rhetoric by the guest on Lou Dobbs Tonight. This episode was a repeat which has now been pulled from all future airings."

Date: 2018-10-28 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svensk-vanja.livejournal.com
Сорос - это символ не каждого еврея, но еврея разбогатевшего

Date: 2018-10-28 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamantyn.livejournal.com
А может быть что Сорос - не еврей, не символ, не человек-пароход, а просто человек.
Честно (как я или вы) заработавший какие-то денежки и сейчас играющий на них в Цивилизацию VII с живыми людьми.

Date: 2018-10-29 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svensk-vanja.livejournal.com
Не может быть!

Date: 2018-10-29 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://P/pk Ptichkin/ (from livejournal.com)
А может быть, вы мудак и пидарас. Как отец Ильи Муромца.

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Date: 2018-10-28 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timelets.livejournal.com
История ЖЖ показывает, что принимать всерьез рассуждения и комментария арбата (даже заочно) - себя не уважать.

Date: 2018-10-28 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com
У Браяна Стелтера сегодня в Reliable Sources очень хорошо Юлия Иоффе выступила. К сожалению, ее сегдняшняя статья в WP опять за пейволлом, будь он неладен.
С 35 минуты: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=YttXM5bAlPo

Date: 2018-10-28 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nahernah.livejournal.com
Юля Иоффе это которая про трамплв инцест шутила? И распространяла conspiracy theory про трампов сервер, соединенный с Альфа- банком? Хорошая, годная тетя.

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Date: 2018-10-28 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rednyrg721.livejournal.com
>К сожалению, ее сегдняшняя статья в WP опять за пейволлом, будь он неладен

Просто куки удаляйте периодически для домена washingtonpost.com - в Хроме вообще элементарно делается: клик на замочек у https - настройки файлов cookie - поставить курсор на washingtonpost.com и поддомены, удалить кнопкой внизу.

Для NYT, Блумберга и многих других тоже работает (для WSJ нет).

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Date: 2018-10-28 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kpuk-ko3bl.livejournal.com
Что вы несёте-то вообще? "Семитизм, антисемитизм"...
Сорос зарабатывает деньги, атакуя финансовые системы целых государств.
Он живое воплощение гитлеровской пропаганды: еврей, который зарабатывает на глобальных катаклизмах, и специально создаёт их, чтобы заработать.

Date: 2018-10-28 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leonid8.livejournal.com
И много систем он атаковал?

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Date: 2018-10-29 04:23 am (UTC)
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"Вот из-за таких жидов как энтот Сорос нас, евреев, и не любят".

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Date: 2018-10-28 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dziga123.livejournal.com
Все эти "Hollywood elite" и тема "fake news в сговоре против простого трамписта" - dog whistles для антисемитов. Они хорошо знают что речь идёт о конспирологической теории что евреи захватив Голливуд и СМИ заставляют их работать в свою пользу.
И плюс к Добсу не больше и не меньше чем House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy хрюкнул в Твиттере:
"We cannot allow Soros, Steyer, and Bloomberg to BUY this election! Get out and vote Republican November 6th. #MAGA,"
И о том что McCarthy хорошо понимает разницу "между opinion и editorial" говорит тот факт, что сразу после стрельбы в синагоге он этот твит убрал.

Edited Date: 2018-10-28 06:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-27 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cangoose-si.livejournal.com
>тема "fake news в сговоре
Вы читали комментарий Шона Дэвиса в WSJ? Или я сейчас прямо серпом по яйцам провожу, напоминая о Пулицере, врученном за fake news говно, даже признака подтверждения которого не смогло найти многомесячное дорогущее расследование?

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Date: 2018-10-28 06:58 pm (UTC)
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Fox spokesperson tells me that the guest, Chris Farrell, will no longer be booked on the Fox Business Network or Fox News.

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) October 28, 2018

Date: 2018-10-28 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://P/pk Ptichkin/ (from livejournal.com)
Арбат продал полкило злобы. Новости в 11.

Date: 2018-10-28 08:41 pm (UTC)
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"Арбат -- мерзавец". Тоже мне новость .

Date: 2018-10-29 11:29 pm (UTC)
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Да-да-да! Любая немощь, не могущая справиться в споре, должна отметиться.

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Date: 2018-10-28 08:49 pm (UTC)
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Почему не на китайском или корейском? Идёшь в бан, дебилко.

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Date: 2018-10-28 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
User [livejournal.com profile] stabrk referenced to your post from No title (https://stabrk.livejournal.com/498232.html) saying: [...] а от 28.10.2018 у "О правых и антисемитах" https://yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com/1580318.html [...]

Date: 2018-10-28 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seihleb.livejournal.com
Вот странно, что этот Арбат вызывает всё ещё какие-то сомнения? Хотя, возможно, он раньше был другой...Но, теперь-то, уже после первого сеанса общения становится понятно, что это абсолютно комический персонаж, этакий "пустозвон витиеватый" семейства обычных умников.
- В чём сила, Арбат?
- В больших сиськах, Тандембайка!
- А если мужик?
- А если ты мужик, то при чём тут сиськи?!

Date: 2018-10-28 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://P/pk Ptichkin/ (from livejournal.com)
Это всегда был странный человек, из тех персонажей ЖЖ, с кем не хочется иметь дела в РЖ. И комплекс неполноценности там, конечно, всегда торчал, как шанхайская телебашня. Но я ещё помню (или это ложная память?) когда он периодически говорил что-то, над чем можно было подумать. За последние лет десять он сошёл в полное говно.

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Date: 2018-10-28 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tijd.livejournal.com
прав был tijd, когда говорил, что Арбат просто плохо понимает разницу между editorial, opinion

Я также говорил, что [livejournal.com profile] arbatзанимается сознательным распространяет вранья с целью разжигания ненависти https://yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com/1406985.html?thread=47947785#t47947785

В лицо ему я это тоже говорил - после того, как он стал заимствовать материалы путинской пропаганды у неприкрытых нацистов https://yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com/1368573.html?thread=45501949#t45501949

Ныне он не смог пройти мимо, чтобы не воспользоваться антисемитским терактом для очередной попытки разжигания ненависти к мифическим «левым».

Об Сороса

Date: 2018-10-29 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
User [livejournal.com profile] arbat referenced to your post from Об Сороса (https://arbat.livejournal.com/997177.html) saying: [...] о другой делал, чего ж мне было мучаться? Так что, Яша, можешь хоть десять Википедий цитировать [...]

Re: Об Сороса

Date: 2018-10-29 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Может я и правда зря вас, Яков, обидел ставя в один ряд с арбатом. He has a point about Soros' character but a blatant lie is still a blatant lie. Вы, вроде бы, до такого не опускаетесь.

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Date: 2019-04-01 10:28 pm (UTC)
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