Текущая версия Белого Дома
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yakov_a_jerkovChris Hayes в Твиттере, по-моему, хорошо просуммировал ту версию событий, в которую Белый Дом предлагает нам поверить (на данный момент).
Написано это было позавчера, и с тех пор появилась дополнительная информацию, которую Джуниор, известный своей transparency, скрыл в своей последней версии, -- участие во встрече Ахметшина. Что вполне согласуется с выводом Хэйеса.
Написано это было позавчера, и с тех пор появилась дополнительная информацию, которую Джуниор, известный своей transparency, скрыл в своей последней версии, -- участие во встрече Ахметшина. Что вполне согласуется с выводом Хэйеса.
So here is what we are currently being asked to believe.Также процитирую статью Иглесиаса на Vox'е -- "I don’t believe Donald Trump Jr., and neither should you":
A Putin-aligned Russian oligarch and his son cultivate a personal/professional relationship w/ Trump and his family over several years.
When Trump becomes the nominee, said oligarch uses trusted intermediary to tell Trump Jr there's a Russain gov effort to elect Trump.
And that as part of that effort they have damaging info on Hillary to share. They set up a meeting to collaborate on this project.
Trump's son, his campaign chair and son in law attend a meeting w/ a person called a "Russian government lawyer" to obtain the dirt.
Everyone shows up at the meeting and...the lawyer just talked about adoption and the Magnitsky act! After all that, it's a dud.
And then, and here's the crucial part, NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ELSE. The oligarch and son don't make further contact.
Trump & Co don't use the active line of communication thru Goldstone to say "hey what the hell was that about?" Everyone just drops it!
Both Trump's campaign and the Putin-allioed oligarch never take another single step to further a collaboration they'd both agreed to!
And then, oh by the way, teh Russian government *is actually* engaged in a brazen, sophisticated effort to get Trump elected.
And as that becomes public just 5 weeks later, no one at Trump Tower gets curious. No one reaches back out. No one calls Emin.
No one emails Goldstone about this topic ever again. No one brings it up ever again.
No one emails Goldstone about this topic ever again. No one brings it up ever again.
No one ever tells Trump "Aras and Emin said the Russian government wants to try to get you elected, but then we had this weird meeting".
No one ever raises it when they see DNC hacks & Wikileaks. Everyone just forgets about that crazy time, when dad's Russian contacts reached out to join forces with the Russian government to defeat Hillary. That's it, That's the end of the story.
I don't have the words to express how implausible that version of events is, but it's what the WH is currently telling us happened.
[...] There are a lot of different possible interpretations of this timeline.
But the one put forward by Trumpworld — that the June 7 announcement had nothing to do with the June 7 setup of the meeting, that nothing came of the meeting, and that the meeting was then denied publicly during a months-long furor over Russian hacking — does not seem even close to being the most plausible one.
A less ridiculous theory would be that during the June 9 sit-down, it was agreed that passing hacked documents directly to the Trump campaign would be dumb. Instead, perhaps they agreed to channel them through WikiLeaks, which would frame them as the fruits of left-wing anti-establishment muckraking. This theory might have sounded ridiculous if not for the fact that Trump Jr. has already lied many times about the meeting.
Of course, without more documents — and more efforts to offer clear, detailed answers about what was happening — it’s impossible to say for sure what happened.
But as the old saying says, fool me twice, shame on me. Trump Jr. has already tried to fool us four or five times about this meeting, and there’s absolutely no reason we should trust him. Fox News, tellingly, has in part already moved on to justifying collusion, showing little faith from Trumpworld that the denials of collusion will hold up over the long run. Those of us who aren’t in the tank ought to muster at least the same level of skepticism.
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Date: 2017-07-16 11:25 pm (UTC)Если бы эти цитаты привели вы, а не я, тогда вы могли бы встать в позу просто ангажированной пропагандистки (искренне считающей свою позицию не поклёпом, а чистой правдой), но не лгуньи. Но вы, как и Арбат, отказались это сделать и, как и Арбат, отказались давать ссылку на источник, в результате чего эти цитаты пришлось привести мне — именно потому, что вы знали их и лгали осознанно, надеясь, что другие их не прочтут.
Если бы вы искренне считали свою позицию не поклёпом, а чистой правдой, или что я не отличаюсь в этом вопросе от Носика, то приведённые мною цитаты не вызвали бы у вас такой бурной реакции (с употреблением выражений типа "хрюкать" или "под шконку", как вот сейчас), сопровождающейся баном. Вы прекрасно знали, что ваш поклёп это именно поклёп.
В то же время, подлинные, не иронические призывы к геноциду сирийцев у вас вызывают лишь умиление. Причины этого очевидны: вы всего-навсего согласны с этими призывами.
Иначе говоря, вы — настоящая русская. С чисто уголовным образом мышления. Даже точнее: вы настоящая русская патриотка (что бы вы там сами на эту тему ни говорили и ни думали).
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Date: 2017-07-17 01:10 pm (UTC)