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Feb. 14th, 2019 02:27 pm
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Here's what McConnell said:
I've just had an opportunity to speak with President Trump, and he would, I would say to all my colleagues, has indicated that he's prepared to sign the bill. He will also be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time. And I've indicated to him that I'm going to prepare -- I'm going to support the national emergency declaration. So for all of my colleagues, the President will sign the bill. We'll be voting on it shortly.
Benjy Sarlin:
It's a good thing for Republicans there's nothing going on right now that virtually every Democrat considers a national emergency and that the next Democratic president won't be able to get any GOP votes to deal with.

It's *especially* good news for Republicans that if there were such an emergency, it definitely wouldn't involve large scale funding for engineering projects. That would really be bad.

Finally, it's *really* good news for Republicans that the current Democratic presidential candidates are totally ignoring the most militant activists on this hypothetical emergency and not, say, rushing to align themselves with their demands.
Nate Silver:
Declaring a national emergency would be a *very* unpopular step.

It's unclear whether it would fade into the background as it got tied up in the courts, or would remain a salient issue for some time.
Да, и вот это точно -- Josh Dawsey:
There's quite a long ways between "Mexico will pay for the wall" to "I will declare a national emergency to fund the wall because the United States Congress won't give me the money I want".
Ann Coulter рвет и мечет. Я, правда, уже плохо понимаю почему.
NATIONAL EMERGENCY WON'T HELP. IT'S OVER IF HE SIGNS THIS BILL!

This spending bill will ensure that not a single mile of fence will be built. (Any sort of "wall" is directly prohibited.)

To declare a national emergency, Trump will now have to argue that a bill HE SIGNED was unconstitutional.

Ask your new AG if this is a good idea.

There's no coming back from this. No "emergency" or presidential powers will allow him to build the wall, ever, after he signs this bill. Trump has just agreed to fully open borders.

Trump is the American Merkel. But who cares about Germany? Trump just destroyed the U.S.A.
И, как обычно, there is a tweet.

Date: 2019-02-14 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svensk-vanja.livejournal.com
Что меня слегка раздражает в местных - прежде чем что-либо сделать, они будут долго и многословно это обсуждать. «Держите меня семеро, не то я подпишу билл» уже три месяца слышно. Ну подпиши наконец, сколько можно языком молоть

Date: 2019-02-15 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com
Тут еще такой вопрос, что какая же это emergency, если ты все откладываешь объявление о ней.

Date: 2019-02-15 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamantyn.livejournal.com
Since that first order in 1979, American presidents have declared 58 national emergencies. According to the Brennan Center's running count, 31 of these are still in effect—including the ban on Iranian property, which was extended in November of 2018. In other words, the country has been in some state of emergency for almost four decades.

https://psmag.com/news/the-united-states-states-of-emergencies


George W. Bush declared 13 emergencies and Barack Obama declared 12 -- nearly all of which are still active today. Bill Clinton declared 17 national emergencies, six of which are still active. Ronald Reagan declared six and George H.W. Bush declared four -- but all of those have been revoked by now.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/national-emergencies-trump-opioid/index.html

Date: 2019-02-15 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tijd.livejournal.com
Здесь приводится список National emergencies: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story

В том числе:

Sept 14, 2001: The National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks was in response to the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States
March 16, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine was in response to the Russian invasion of Crimea
Sept 12, 2018: The National Emergency With Respect to Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election attempted to prevent any meddling with the 2018 midterm elections amid the ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election

Таким образом, они были реакцией на реальные события, а не на выдуманный кризис.

Date: 2019-02-15 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamantyn.livejournal.com
> Здесь приводится ....

"Oops! Page Unavailable."


"Blocking Property of Certain Persons" это не Emergency в обывательском смысле (Яков выше спрашивает "какая же это emergency").

Этот кризис натуральный, усугубленный калуженом левых с наркоторговцами.
Один акт принят:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/trump-declares-opioid-crisis-national-emergency-n791576
Этот тоже примут. Ничего страшного.

Date: 2019-02-15 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tijd.livejournal.com
Правильная ссылка: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693

По поводу опиодного кризиса в прошлом году был принят межпартийный закон (SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act) https://yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com/1615848.html?thread=57646056#t57646056

В данном случае речь идёт о незаконном президентском указе.

No court will allow a president to claim it's an "emergency" to violate a law he just signed. https://t.co/QtPltzKokQ

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) February 15, 2019
Edited Date: 2019-02-15 02:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-02-15 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamantyn.livejournal.com
Абсолютно законный.
Судье-активисту проще вообще президента объявить незаконным.

Date: 2019-02-15 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://P/pk Ptichkin/ (from livejournal.com)
Это, гражданин Муромец-старший, ваше личное мнение. Оно, вероятно, очень ценно для вас.

Date: 2019-02-15 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamantyn.livejournal.com
Кавано не подведет!

Date: 2019-02-15 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://P/pk Ptichkin/ (from livejournal.com)
Особенно лосячье кавано.

Date: 2019-02-15 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tijd.livejournal.com

Likely to be used in future lawsuits: Trump on his national emergency declaration: "I didn't need to do this. But I'd rather do it much faster ... I just want to get it done faster." Via CNN pic.twitter.com/HcPrQdhRJ9

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) February 15, 2019

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