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yakov_a_jerkov ([personal profile] yakov_a_jerkov) wrote2017-02-14 10:51 pm

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Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Как-то бодро события развиваются. И это только четвертая неделя президентства Трампа.

[identity profile] svensk-vanja.livejournal.com 2017-02-15 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Перевод на первом канале: "Либеральная интеллигенция неоднократно контактировала с американскими президентами и выпрашивала гранты"

(Anonymous) 2017-02-15 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
Вы не могли бы прояснить, как принято выбираться из следующего противоречия в нарративе, который разделяют все люди доброй воли:
1. Невозможно извне произвести "оранжевую революцию" или сменить режим другим невоенным путем вопреки воле народа.
2. Спецслужбы нищей загнивающей региональной державы без всяких усилий вертят выборы в США на бую.
Спасибо.

[identity profile] ign.livejournal.com 2017-02-15 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Странный вопрос. Народная революция - это одно, а попытка повлиять на результаты выборов - это несколько другое, нет?

(Anonymous) 2017-02-15 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Во-первых, не попытка, а доказанное вмешательство, и только путинский тролль тут может пытаться мутить воду.
Во-вторых, явления одного порядка.
В-третьих - конечно странный, в этом и суть "нарратива", в выработке правильного подвывиха мозга, позволяющего без напряжения согласовывать буквально всё. Я просто интересуюсь конкретным случаем - svensk_vanja ниже предложил классическое решение, но он всё-таки не американец.

[identity profile] svensk-vanja.livejournal.com 2017-02-15 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Вероятно, я не отношусь к людям доброй воли, потому что у меня вызывает сомнение адекватность человека, написавшего обе этих фразы как вместе, так и по отдельности. Какое-то ебанько писало, честное слово.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-15 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Отличный ответ, Якову стоит у вас поучиться.

[identity profile] tijd.livejournal.com 2017-02-15 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Интересно пересмотреть интервью Майка Пенса на Fox News 15 января. Пенс в своей манере несколько раз уйти пытается от ответа на прямой вопрос о российских контактах с избирательной кампанией Трампа.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5283090299001/?#sp=show-clips

WALLACE: I want to ask you about two very specific questions briefly so we can move on to domestic policy. We now know that the Trump’s national security advisor, Mike Flynn, had several conversations with the Russian ambassador, Kislyak, just at the time that President Obama was announcing new sanctions to the hacking of the U.S. election against Russia.

Number one: did Mike Flynn ever discuss lifting sanctions in any of those conversations? Do you know?

PENCE: I talked to General Flynn yesterday, and the conversations that took place at that time were not in any way related to the new U.S. sanctions against Russia or the expulsion of diplomats.

WALLACE: All right.

Second question: can you flatly deny -- because this continues to be out there -- that there were any contact at any point in the campaign between Mr. Trump's associates and Russian operatives, including cutouts, as we know, about the hacking of the Democrats during the election?

PENCE: This -- you know, some of this derives from this opposition research memo, I guess, Chris, that made its way around the Internet. There was about 24 hours were Michael Cohen, who has worked in the Trump Organization for many years, was accused for having a meeting in Prague, and finally, some news organizations did a little checking and found out that it was a different Michael Cohen. And Michael himself has never actually been to Prague.

WALLACE: But I do want to ask you a question.

PENCE: He was at a baseball game with his son in August of last year. So --

WALLACE: I understand that. But there’s been other talk, and in fact, if I may, senators specifically asked FBI Director Comey about that. He refused to answer.

So, I’m asking a direct question: was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts they had?

PENCE: I joined this campaign in the summer, and I can tell you that all the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people. We were fully engaged with taking his message to make America great again all across this country. That’s why he won in a landslide election.

(CROSSTALK)

WALLACE: -- if there were any contacts, sir, I’m just trying to get an answer.

PENCE: Yes. I -- of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign?

Chris, the -- this is all a distraction, and it's all part of a narrative to delegitimize the election and to question the legitimacy of this presidency, the American people see right through it.